S3.E2 - Stop Calling it "Daycare"

It’s not day care, it’s early learning. It's about providing quality, experience-based learning opportunities during the crucial, early developmental years of our children's lives.

Join us as we talk with Beth Garza and Carissa Orr, Early Childhood Consultants at Wayne RESA, about the importance of high quality childcare programs like Strong Beginnings and the Great Start Readiness Program, and how parents can find the best opportunities to foster brain development for their 3- and 4-year-olds.

Length - 36 minutes

Wayne County parents can visit findFREEpreschool.org, text or call 313-410-4588 to find a no cost, high quality program near them.

Read more about the Great Start Readiness Program on the Michigan Department of Education's website.

Kyle Gnagey: Welcome to season three of getting to the core episode two. I'm. So excited to be joined today by two of our early childhood consultants, Carissa Orr and Beth Garza. Thank you, guys, both for joining us today.

Carissa Orr: Thanks for having us.

Beth Garza: Yeah, Thank you

Kyle Gnagey: Or course! Now, as you know, I've been deeply entrenched with much of your work with the rates already in this program, with strong beginnings with early childhood in general, and I’m just thrilled that you guys were able to take the opportunity to talk to me today about this work, and why it's important and kind of what we need,the fellow educators and the general public that listen to our podcast what they need to know about this area. So, I kind of want to start with a loaded question. So, what are your thoughts on daycare?

Beth Garza: Yeah, It’s your children not day. Isn’t it Kyle? Yeah.

Carissa Orr: what a prime opportunity at this back to school season, and Beth and I are celebrating our five-year anniversary of our dream job here at we racism.

Kyle Gnagey: Congratulations! Thank you.

Beth Garza: So. what we know right. What we know is that words are powerful. Words are so powerful, and you can really gauge what society is thinking around. A topic is by the words that they use. And so, let's think about that daycare right? Our just like Carissa just said. Are we taking care of days? No, that that implies that that the day is more important than the child.

Beth Garza: It implies that that this is a profession That that's not important; that it's passive, that we have humans standing over children, and they are just waiting for the day to be over, because that's what they're caring for, and that's not what this is. This is early childhood education, and we know too much now to be still using that word,

Kyle Gnagey: I appreciate that so no longer as a parent. I have a nineteen-month-old and a six year old no longer as a parent. Should I be thinking about? What am I doing with my kids. Well, I can't watch them. Where are they going instead? What should I be thinking about?

Carissa Orr: You might be thinking about? Where will your little ones be um safest and most loved when they're not with their primary caregiver um, and that would be in a childcare setting when they're not with mom and Dad, and we can't give, or their guardians um or family who can't give them our utmost attention, because we have another priority as well, which might be to focus on work which might be to focus on ourselves or care taking at home. Um, we do lots of other things, and so we're from the primary caregiver, their child's first teacher, the first ones that love those sweet babies can't be with their level one. We need to find the high quality childcare program that cares for cares more about children than the day.

Beth Garza: I was thinking what it might mean. If I had someone to care about my day. They would have made me coffee this morning and done my hair for me would have been fun.

Kyle Gnagey: That's really great, you know. I know that we've been together looking at a few um facts and figures that just came out recently, and just want to read out right now that something that Beth Garza, just, you know, sent to to Carissa, and I like child Care is not treated as a public good. So parents pay directly for costs. So, we, you know we a lot of times in thinking about whether or not vulnerable parents will work outside the home it's like Well, can one of our jobs cover the entire cost of child care, because that comes directly from us, and you know it's like

Kyle Gnagey: I don't know the average childcare for a four-year-old right now is like almost nine thousand dollars a year. That's like seven hundred and forty bucks a month. Yeah, it, you know. According to these metrics, childcare rivals the cost of in-state college tuition, and it's more than the average rent price right? Now, So what gives? Why is it so expensive?

Carissa Orr: Yeah, I mean beyond being professionals. Beth and I know that firsthand myself, just coming out of paying for child care for my son's first four years of life, and then best having kids in college,

Beth Garza: but she's adding, and paid too much and for it right, right. But you know, I think that this is such an important topic to talk to parents about, because I have heard so many parents talk. That childcare is making so much money, because what they see is they're paying, you know, two thousand dollars a month, and for infant and toddler care, and they think well, they're just making so much money, and that is not the case, I mean, if you really break it down. And I was previously a director, and I would hold um sessions with all my families, and break down the cost so that they can understand paying paying our teachers with eighty percent of what we are bringing in. And then you have, you know the structural cost of the building itself, and the food and all the licensing that we have to go through. So the teachers are making, you know, even ten dollars an hour, and they are. No one is making money on this, and that's why our great star readiness program and our strong beginning. So, state funded preschools are so important, but that is just for three- and four-year-old’s, and the three year old is just a pilot. So, we don't have anything for three. And so, we're just talking about four-year-old’s. Well, what about those first three years of life. How do you afford that. Yeah. And twenty three percent of centers that receive the State grants like strong beginnings, Pilot and a great start readiness program. Don't serve zero to three those ages.

Carissa Orr: And so parents are left to not only just find care, find somewhere that they can take their child, who is under four years old, but also um to qualify for help to pay for it. And then also assess, Is it? Is it a high-quality program that I want to leave my child in? Do I? Do I want my baby here? Do I want those first years, the early years of all those brain connections happening in this place in this space with these people, and so we can hope that parents are informed, informed shoppers, when they are shopping for high quality, early learning and child care, and also that they can afford it.

Kyle Gnagey: Yeah, I mean, let's say, I mean that that's a shame, because what that does is like. Obviously as a parent. I'm incentivized now to try to find cheaper options, so like, I guess. Let me pitch it to you like this. Let's say I'm fortunate enough to have a family friend, or my grandma or grandma live close by, so that they are watching my kids for me, for little to no cost right. Maybe I buy them a dinner or something. Um, What's my incentive, then? Or how should I be thinking about strong beginnings or the great start reading this program, as my child is reaching ages three and four, you know. Should I? Let's say I can also have the privilege to be able to afford childcare, or I should say not, child care, afford these awesome programs? What should I be doing um like? Why, why should I take them away from Grandma's house per se, and like what? What are they going to get in these high quality programs that they're not going to get from just being watched.

Beth Garza: What! What a good, what a good point! Now I'm never going to discourage you from taking them to grandma or auntie, if grandma and auntie are. Really It's a relationship. They're giving them that serve in return, which we'll talk about a little bit more later. But they're interacting most strong interactions. Right? Then. Of course, that is beneficial. And of course, that is what a child needs. They need relationships. They need um. That that brain activation of being talked to that language development. They need all of the care and nurturing. So I'm not going to say yes. Care is the best for everyone. No, because we don't group people like that. But we know that the brain is experience dependent, right? The architecture of the brain. What a great visual right? And that's from center of developing a child from Harvard the Grain architecture. Right? We're building the brain. So, if you're sending them to Grandma's and Grandma um can't move around, and grandma just puts baby in front of the Tv for twelve hours. Yeah, she but that's remember experience dependent. The brain is experience dependent. And so, without those high-quality interactions we're going to have long-term effects on that and maybe you won't see until they're ten years old. But it that is it. It's a huge impact on a developing child. It's a missed opportunity to perform to form that architecture of the brain earlier. And so, maybe if prima is open to having some. I'm just going to keep using grandma, because I just was like or auntie or Uncle, in my case, my dad. But if so, if they're on board with being brain architects, and by all means! We would never discourage that. But maybe it maybe it's just like everything else, and like a little bit. A little bit of everything makes a well-rounded. What if I say it takes a village, I learn that so well as a parent myself, and so maybe a few days a week. We're at Grandma's, and maybe a few days a week we're in a we're in a high-quality early learning program. It's like you said. You have all those resources available to you. You can make those kinds of choices that privilege absolutely a little bit of both really helpful. Maybe grandma or auntie, or Umpa, or Uncle or Uma, The neighbor lady who is just lovely goes along to a playgroup that they have through a lot of the early learning communities in. And so maybe there's a little bit of all of it happening at the same time. Um! So one is. It's not about being better than any other. It's about uh what is building a child's brain, and it's not just about learning to read and learning what numbers it's about learning to engage and talk, and to participate in a group setting um participate in in life really those. But the early years are the learning years, and we keep hearing that over and over again. It doesn't mean that we can't learn after kindergarten, or third grade doesn't mean that we can't learn thankfully. Um, you know I started playing guitar in high school, and I've got better and better ever since. But if I would have started when I was like three, I bet i'd know how to read music right now, and not be paying for lessons to learn that once a week with my six-year-old he's going to really know a lot are. And it's going to stick, and it's just because our brains are the most plastic, the most um absorbable, the most. I'm trying to think of fun words besides, of neuroplasticity. But it's really because our brains can be built the easiest. If we're architects can be built the easiest in those early years, and so that's why, no matter who your little ones are with. We need to make sure that they are on board with being brain architects. So your incentive, Kyle, to send your child to a high quality early learning over grandma or aunties or uncles is not really an incentive. It's what are your options? What can you do? And where will your child get the best architecture opportunities for their brain. Maybe that should be a new T-shirt. I think I should have got into marketing.

Kyle Gnagey: That's great, because I really need to stop thinking about so much of the convenience and the easiest option, or not even necessarily, you know. And I guess I say privilege earlier. It's a privilege to like before childcare. But what's great about these programs is I could qualify to not pay anything. I would be like a no cost family based on qualification or or just a partial cost. But I really shouldn't be thinking about it as like the easiest, you know. Solution. I need to be thinking about. It is like what's going to be best for my kid like. Where are they going to get the most out of X, you know, like you Say, is it a Friday Saturday at grandmas? But they're in like a high-quality great ceremony. This program at age four, making connections with other kids their age. I mean. It's never too early for that stuff, you know. That's a lot harder at Grandma's house, because there aren't other kids and grandma would have to take them out to Park and be like play with this kid. You know It's just a lot more of an organic experience in the classroom. So yeah, I really like that sort of rethinking the paradigm of daycare, You know. My kid is somewhere while I’m at my job or running an errand, or something, and more about like, Where should they be right now for their success, for their future, like what is best for them?

Carissa Orr: I know for me as an employee. I do my best work when I know my child is safe and cared for, so, um! We can think about employers thinking of how that impacts productivity. And um, my child's up school age now. He just started first grade last week, but he was in GSRP. And prior to that I paid for childcare um, and I worked a second job to be able to do that as a parent um in a in a household, and I did that because it was so important to me that he go to a very high quality place, and I did anything and everything I could to make sure that when I wasn't with my son, I had him in a high-quality place, and I think the point of sharing that is when I’m with him. I know that I'm doing the very best I can, and when I can't be with him, I want to make sure that whoever is is doing the very best that they can. Um! And so, I kind of think of it like that It's if I can't be there who can and who's responsible for that?

Beth Garza: But you bring up such an important part to Carisa is that we need to not only educate the public about um the use of daycare, and what is daycare, but also empower. Ah! Parents, families that they are their child's first teacher, and what does that look like, and what does that mean? And that is really what we're doing in GSRP: two is there is a very strong two-generational approach, and in which we um empower families to stay connected to their child's education. We have family participation groups in the strong beginnings of the um. The difference between strong beginnings, and that great start readiness program is that they have a family component. So you actually have a family lead on staff who is working with families on what their needs are, but also on education and helping families understand what is happening in the classroom. And why is it important that their child is attending. I just on Friday, led a parent meeting, and there was about forty parents in in this room, and I had this opportunity to explain to them just what active learning was, and that's a new turn to most parents. And so, here's what we do in our classrooms, because there's a lot of misconceptions that we're getting children into these preschool programs at three and four, and we're making them sit down and desk and learn to read and write, and that is not at all what we're doing. This is an active learning approach in which we are really um teaching children how to think before they move in self-regulations and social skills, and that's all done through play. And that's something that we can teach our families and parents to do as well. So again, that misconception, just like we're talking about with daycare versus early education is they don't even understand what's happening inside the program and the benefits of it. So, as we talk about it, we also have to talk about what is play, what is the benefits, benefits of play, and how the brain actually learns and grows those synapses, and that architecture, how does it happen is through play.

Carissa Orr: and parents remember what it was like to learn when we were learners, young learners. And so, we think that we want to send our trial to the best of the best place, so that they're ready. Quote unquote, ready for kindergarten and the myth there is that it's not about being ah, but ready for kindergarten, it's not being ready to learn at any stage in life. If children have these early experiences of active learning right, so they're not told to sit down and do this ditto. But there may be handed letters to discover and take a part and put back together with Legos right like it Sounds like we're just playing around. But honestly, having those experiences when they do get to us to a school environment where they do, are asked to do some different things that have to learning like, sit at a desk and right on a ditto. You're ready to learn, because they've had some positive experiences in school before they have a good outlook on school parents ideally, because they've been a part of these groups which I promise Don't take as much time as you're thinking I’m a working parent also, and I participated, and it was a really enriching Um, so it's It's what you make time for you to learn more about. And so kids are ready to learn Any child that has had these early experiences has the capacity to learn whatever requirements are required for whatever school they go into, and I’ll leave that for another discussion another day, but really ready to learn is the goal of our early learning programs. I didn't know what that meant before I went and learned all about early childhood. Um, I just thought, you know I want my kid to do the best of the best, and know all the things, and it's not wrong for us to walk with us for our children, but learning in an early childhood program what that looks like, what is best. What should my three year old know? What should, or could my four-year-old and five-year-old know and what does that look like? We all love our babies, but knowing what's developmentally appropriate like, should they be doing, This is something that a trained professional in early childhood can share with us versus um, and maybe Grammy, Grampa or Auntie is another incentive, right? I'm going to ask somebody about toilet learning who's not only probably done it with a whole bunch of other groups of kids, but who has also studied what the brain knows and how it works for toilet learning and spends. I don't know thirty some hours a week with my child specifically, and knows how my child learns best. Um! So, all of that information. It takes a village to raise a child that takes a village to toilet, train a child also. And so, there's There's a lot of ah a lot of important information in having somebody who works in an early childhood profession, be a part of our village as a definite.

Kyle Gnagey: I really am intrigued by this concept that you you both are echoing, which is that when my child is involved with a program with train specialists, it's more eyes on their developmental milestones on the things they're doing. Actually, it's like having allies with the trained eye to know exactly what to look for in case there might be some special support. My child needs that I didn't know whether it's like um like an occupational therapy type thing, or they are, you know, starting to show signs that they might struggle with learning later in life. And I just think there's just such an obsession. Ah! Particularly in in Michigan. But you know, with children being ready to read by a certain age by their, you know, being able to start to engage with homework. And but that's not what you're saying. What you're actually saying is by bringing them to these high-quality programs. First of all, it feels like all playtime for them, because they're engaging in these playtime activities. But it's, you know, in some sense, preparing them to to be in a school environment and to learn. And you have people that are keeping an eye on where they should be, quote unquote with milestones, and where they might need support later, and some of those can be addressed right away. I mean, that's the concept of early intervention. Maybe, my child doesn't need official early intervention from the State, or anything but just by engaging with some of those practices in the classroom at this age they won't need any kind of earlier intervention later. So it's actually kind of turning on its head. This idea of, like my kid in preschool, it's like more work for me as a parent. It's actually the opposite Right? I make it in preschool, and they're in the right hands. They're getting what they need. You know they're not bringing homework home. I can just rest easy, knowing that their development is being handled by the professionals.

Carissa Orr: Yeah. And then I can speak to as a working parent. Then then, when your baby comes home, you're like happy to see him also as opposed to maybe being with them twenty, four over seven, or just wondering like, are they okay with Grammy or whomever they're with you, you know you're excited to see them. You have a renewed sense of self that you can give your all here a little more. Go ahead.

Beth Garza: I was just going to say exactly. I love your thinking around this Kyle, and what we know to be true is early childhood experiences all the rest of their lives right? So, what Carissa just said, and what you are saying is the fact. We know this from research. We know this from all the data that we gathered and and health professionals. So, pediatricians, so many people are now studying the early childhood experiences, and how that affects their health, their physical health, their mental health, mental health, and their educational abilities later in life, just from those early childhood experiences we know that the stressed brain can't learn a stress brain can't learn right? So. you know, we have to ensure Maslow's hierarchy of needs that we have, you know. There's a lot of new research coming out that that love and belonging is actually the number one where we used to. Just think that it was those basic needs. So right in line as the love and belonging. So we want love and belonging. We want basic needs of um, you know, food and and security. So all these things need to be in place before they can learn and a stress brain can't learn. And so, when we think of it in those ways, we want to ensure that the highest quality preschool, because even if our best intentions are there that we're going to send them to to this this facility, and it's the lowest paying. You have teachers that are paid minimum wage and their stress to their stress. It's coming off on the infant or toddler or preschooler, as stress. And those stress brains can't learn. Then they're not ready to learn in school because of that stress brain right, and chemicals get released again. It's just there's this domino effect that happens when a child isn't in a responsive caring environment, and again think that just families aren't educated in this, and they don't understand the importance, because we've just never made it a priority, especially in the United States. It's not everywhere. It's not everywhere, but in the United States. Those first five years of life, I mean. We just know too much now to ignore it. Many of us have been in survival mode when it comes to thinking about childcare for daycare, like Kyle, said I. I need trials like I want to shift my own thinking about convenience and location and hours and things like that which is the privilege to be able to do. Um, and many of us are getting closer to having that privilege in this country Very slowly, right, but surely we're getting closer, and so we have to think of what's ….Sorry I kind of got lost there, but I was going to make a good point.

Kyle Gnagey: No, it is a what is a good point, actually, that you make me want to ask pointedly. So you're talking about the high quality and all the good reasons to be there and then, Karissa, you were just identifying, you know, the privilege of, you know, trying to figure out all those moving parts to make it work. So let me just ask you some of the common things I know that parents might see as a barrier, and you can tell me how they can be resolved like. What if I don't know that I can drive my kid to A. To a GSRP program, for example, like what can be done with that.

Carissa Orr: Thankfully. In GSRP we have opportunities for transportation funding for programs that are willing to participate in offering transportation. It is a a program has the choice whether or not to offer. So many do all programs in Wayne County and throughout the State. Right? Best have the option to use transportation funds for things like Hoover or Lyft, or other local transportation in areas that have that. I know some of our rural communities Don't, have access to that, but for people who live in communities that have access to that transportation funds through a great start, readiness program can reimburse a family to get their child to and from school, and that might mean the Uber and the parents or guardian and the child go to school in an Uber, and then the Uber to drop the here and all that work out there, or where that where they need to be. So that's an option through the great start readiness program that that is really beneficial to families. And we're seeing more and more use of those funds every year. And we hope that that continues.

Kyle Gnagey: That's really great. I actually am. I knew a little bit that the transcription was available, but I did not realize it was that customize to you know my need as a parent. I think that's really great. So you know they How can, for example, let's say in Wayne County, if I if I’m a parent, and I’m looking for a program for my kid like, would you guys, or will we and Risa help me find something that's close to home or close to my work. If I’d rather not be able to tell my right because of my work like, do I have the option to like? Try to get my kid in where I want them to go, or if I don't know anything, what's out there like, will you guys help me find something.

Carissa Orr: Yeah, we have a lot of GSRP programs. I was just trying to look for the exact number because it changes on the regular.

Beth Garza: So yeah, there's expansions. Ah! A huge expansion happened last year, and another expansion is happening this year. Ah, there are more GSRPs than ever before. And unfortunately, because we're in the pilot stage of strong beginnings there is only twelve in the state of Michigan strong beginning that's our three-year-old program. Ah, only twelve classrooms and they're only in fours. Wayne County has four of those classrooms actually, and the rest are distributed between Berrien County and then um up in Traverse City. So, we're hoping that that's going to get expanded. And there's going to be a big roll out in the future. But right now, that's it. Now we have We have. Wayne RESA has a one thousand eight hundred number that you can call to get information about GSRP. That phone Number is eight, three, three, four-year-olds, or if you're writing it down eight, three, three, three, six, eight, seven, nine, three. Two,

Kyle Gnagey: that's great, and I also know that you know this year you guys are promoting a new number that can be text as well, like a texted by parents, and it will have translation services, I understand. So we'll put that with the podcast on resettlement podcast. It'll also be on reset dot net GSRP, but that is three, one, three, four, one zero, or five hundred and eighty eight. I know that you could text that which is awesome because I know a lot of parents in my generation are less of the phone callers and more of the textures. But there are also options for auto translation services, and I know the other thing that you guys are pushing this year is the fine free preschool org website which will also help get connected. Are we?

Carissa Orr: Getting involved in the Great Start collaborative, too, even if it's just on their Facebook page. Um! The grades are collaborative. Wayne would be another place to learn about. I don't know they really often highlight programs, so you can kind of take a little tour or a little sneak peak into some of the programs, and you could even see what they have to offer, besides just GSRP: because the great thing about our um grade, So readiness programs is, they're not only housed in school districts, um or charter schools that that have accessors, classrooms operate. Ah, great! So readiness program. But a lot of them are in our community-based organization. So you might not even know I really met a parent who was a friend of my child in first grade now. And she said, Yeah, we went to this free program that was at his preschool like when I said GSRP Free preschool state fronted preschool. She had no idea what I was talking about. But when I said, Did you pay for your child's four year old year of preschool? And she said, no, it was. It was free through the school, and I, and it was a little tiny program that I knew of, and so I was so excited because that that that child went there for infants toddlers. And then for three-year-olds preschool, which they all paid tuition for, and then for four year old Preschool had a had a free year, thinking that they didn't really know why they got it. They just had to put a lot of extra paper what she said, and so it was really exciting for me to hear that they got to take advantage of that. Um, but didn't really exactly know what she guessed our people was, and that's Okay, you just want families to be able to take advantage of what's offered in it. Um. And so, if you don't know if it's at your job. If your child is young like zero to an under four, let's say um, and you don't know if the program that your child is enrolled in has GSRP ask them, and if they don't ask them why, and if they'd be willing, and then give them my number, i'd be happy to to encourage them to participate if they're not already participating.

Kyle Gnagey: We're gonna have a lot of resources listed with this podcast, including the phone numbers that we've talked about and um links and and various things, and I guess I'll talk with Carissa after this about putting her personal cell phone.

Kyle Gnagey: That's really great, and I just wanted to thank you both for being with us today, and what I love so much about everyone. I've interacted in the Wayne recent early childhood department, and the collaborative honesty is like all of you are just so passionate about kids, and you know, on their development and feeling safe, and you know, having just bright futures, and your passion is just so so encouraging. And I just, I guess if I were to and add anything to what we've talked about today, It's like you guys are definitely the people that contact about like. Where should my kid be for H Three and H four, Because you are nothing but compassionate. You have all the research and the data, and you really just are looking out for one hundred and fifty. Our youngest residents of Wayne County and their future, and I just want to thank you both so much for all that you do, and congrats on the five year anniversary to both of you, and I guess is there anything else that you want to leave us parents of Wayne County with based on our time today?

Beth Garza: I think there's a lot of great resources out there that you have mentioned, Kyle, that we've all mentioned. Um, I think that really paying attention to those resources, Great start collaborative. You just Googling grades start Wayne. Um. There are just so many resources for housing and food supplies and diapers that can be found there, and also preschool is listed there. Finding checklists of what to look for in early education centers, so that you know when you walk through the door. Um! That You're looking at a high-quality program and, like you said, reaching out to the professionals. All of our information is listed on the website on um. Wayne, RESA: Ah, GSRP. And so you can find everybody's phone number There, you can. You can reach out and talk to people. Inform yourself you are your child's first teacher, and so ask those big questions. Ask those hard questions. It's going to be really important for the rest of your child's life,

Carissa Orr: you know Time is a big um barrier, I think, for a lot of families I know myself included, and I would encourage you to think of it this way, the more time you take to make that informed decision. Ah, the more time you take to write to, to look at checklist about high quality, early learning, and to write down or think for yourself what is most important to me, Because that matters, too. You have choices in Wayne County. You have lots of options for great start readiness programs right now. Um. And so so you have lots of options. So what? What? What building is closest to my work, or what feels good fit for me? What matches the values that my family has Do You have choices? But if we put the time in. And now for the early learning. I know that not only is it my opinion, but it is research and evidence-based fact that it'll make those later years a lot smoother may not make them perfect. It may not make life perfect. It may not mean that we can keep our kids from all the hard stuff that life throws at us. But it's gonna make sure that they have the capacity to learn and the capacity to bounce back because of the relationships and experiences they had so early that they are going to resilient and persevere for any of those hurdles that life can grow at us, so I just encourage you. If you put the time in Now you won't have to put as much in later that's the just a return on investment, but of return on your investment of your time and energy. Spend more of that time enjoying your little ones later.

Kyle Gnagey: Carissa, Beth, I want to Thank you again and once again for those of you listening like on anchor Fm. Or somewhere else. Please just reach out. Thank you, Carissa and Beth very much for your time today. I really appreciate it for those of you listening. If you go to RESA.net /podcast, you will find a list of all of our resources that we talked about today on the show, and we hope that you will look further into the really great material that we put there and get to know what is out there in Wayne County for you and your children.

Beth Garza: Thanks, Guys. Thank you.